There's a July 9th, five o'clock meeting of the Public Works Committee of students and counties.
I'd like to call this meeting to order.
Item 2.0 is the approval of the agenda.
Is there a motion to approve the agenda?
Adam, seconded.
Any questions, discussion on the motion?
Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.
Approval of DHA, Mr. Kirk, Review and Approval of Meeting Minutes from General Level to Pitchforks and Hammerhandles, I have a motion to approve the meeting minutes.
So moved.
Moved by Mr. Newton, seconded by, sure, Mr. George.
It wasn't fair.
Yes, you were noticeably absent.
I was, I was noticeably absent.
Any discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.
I have 4.0, the approval of the plans and I have $613,322.79.
So what is the pleasure of the committee?
I'll make a motion to approve the claims.
Motion to approve.
Second?
Mr. Riegel, any discussion?
Questions on the plans?
Second.
Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye.
Aye.
I'm just here to discuss the previous time that I was here about, um, for, yeah, transport and overweight permits for, for the unit structure, so.
Is that, is that item 8.3?
Yep.
That's all.
Thank you.
We took in June a total of 21 cats, nine were Seryther's, six were Sidney's series, six to our county strays.
We transferred 14 of them out to rescues.
Five are adoptable.
And we had two that passed away.
One was to the piano loop and the other one was just a young kid that had failed to survive.
Dog intake was 13, three surrenders, three counties, three cities, and I did it a little different.
We did four that were city that we just did the paperwork on.
Four are currently being adoptable, two were reclaimed, seven paperwork only, three of the surrenders, I believe, ended up getting reclaimed.
They came back for the puppies.
They decided not to sign them over.
So we did paperwork making sure that they did their rabies and registration and let them ship them.
So they basically adopted and bounced back without having to fix them.
Um, current animals we have, we have nine adoptable cats, nine on hold, um, the one boarding cat for the domestic case dogs.
We have nine adoptable, 10 on hold.
That would be the mom and her puppies.
Uh, the puppies all went to the prayer college today and got their first vaccines.
Um, so we'll have them in our three weeks and then they can go to homes.
They will go on pet finders, probably on Monday, once I make sure everybody didn't have any reactions to the vaccine.
I already have mom placed and I believe one or two of the puppies do have homes from people that have volunteered and socialized puppies.
We did get the last of the hardware we needed this morning and we finished putting the kennels together.
We're working on a little plumbing that we need to do and I need to figure out chop back and the kennels are done.
I should be moving the dogs in on Saturday.
I did the ending balance for you guys with the highlights that the one deposit was for June, but got deposited July 1st.
That's it for that.
Any questions on that?
I'll do it if nobody else does.
I'll wait until everyone else has a chance.
Okay, what's it mean when you have dogs on hold?
They cannot be adopted currently, so it's the mom and her puppies are not adoptable.
It's the puppies These are too young.
Okay, so you say you have X number of dogs plus nine on pole.
That means you have, now, what you said you had on man?
Total of 19 dogs, 13, with the puppies.
Okay, and you have room for that many dogs?
Yes.
On the individuals that surrendered there, I'm assuming they were dogs that came back?
Yes.
Okay, you have microchipped?
They had the microchip, gravy's, and they had to do the registration.
Did the owners pay for all of that?
Yes.
So we didn't.
No, they had to pay for all that.
And then I believe you had said, if I'm misquoting you correctly, but said they were doing something different with the city on four animals, maybe four dogs, you just don't pay for.
So remember how I said that we do, the numbers were city were high because any dog that goes to the animal hospital to get the chips, our county chips, they did the paperwork, that way we have records of it and we have records if it's picked up again because in Illinois, if they're picked up twice, they have to be fixed and that way we have signed papers saying.
So those four dogs, we only did paperwork for.
So we had records of it.
We only technically took three city dogs into our city.
So if you take in somebody surrenders a dog, it's not microchipped, as far as you know, there's no vaccines, you charge that person for rendering, so how do you make them pay that upfront?
It depends on how big the dog is, because if, for instance, it becomes aggressive, we have to pay for it to be put down and disposed of, so we kind of base it on their size.
Because the microchip and that if they're adopted, when they're adopted, the person that is adopting them was paid for that registration.
And as far as vaccines and that, we get it done for free at the college.
So we charge the adoption fee.
So we get that money.
It basically depends on the dog.
It's almost gets stopped, right?
Yes.
So what is it that you're charging the person that's dropping off?
Usually, like I said, depends on the dog, $50 to $100, depending on the dog.
And that is just in case you have to euthanize?
Yes.
They were with cats.
I meant obviously cats.
Like for instance, I took, a lot of times I asked for a donation.
Like we took three kittens in that were surrendered over and they were, they're eight weeks old, so they'll get adopted or go to rescue right away.
And I sent just a donation and she and she gave us $200.
The mom and five kittens I took, they gave $50.
They're already going to rescue on tomorrow.
And I just took them in Monday.
You know, you've told us before, and I apologize if you don't recall, but with all the new kennels that you have, what is your total capacity?
There's 13 kennels, but you can easily fit it.
Again, it all depends on the dogs.
If you can pair dogs up, like mom and puppies can be paired up.
I can put four puppies in and one of the cages.
So 13 is the minimum.
We usually don't pair dogs up.
So I would say 15.15 dogs.
Yeah, 15, like I said, puppies are a little diverse.
Yeah, it depends on the size and the temperament.
I will never put two adult dogs together.
If it's two puppies, like those puppies, yeah, they're safe to go together.
I don't want fights to start when I'm not there.
How about cats?
Cats, again, depends on the cats.
We have, we have, we could probably fit 16 in the category.
We'll never probably pair them up like that.
And there is 11 in the isolation room.
So what's your top end number?
Where you just say, no, can't take it anymore.
If we have a bunch of kittens, I'd say 30, but you will never have, and if it's all kittens, they go so quick.
Adult cats, I would like to only have one in the cage.
So you're looking at probably 15 tops on adult cats.
I'm almost done, I promise.
It's good?
Well, it's the longest termed cat that you have.
Apparently?
Yes.
Oh, it's nobody from last year.
So it's probably a few months, maybe.
We've got a lot of newer cats.
I don't think you have anybody that's been there.
Colleen.
Collie.
I think she came in May.
So nothing since pre-2020.
Yeah, no, no, we were in current year.
You're welcome.
When it was really extremely hot, you were struggling with the air conditioning.
It's been fine since.
I think part of the problem, number one, it was really hot, and number two you had everybody going in and out on Monday and just opening the doors all that time.
They did look at it but it's been fine since.
We do have a fan in the electrical room and we have a fan because there's only like one real cold, I can't think of what he said, cold air return and it's in the hallway, the back hallway where the greenhouse is.
So we have a fan going towards that and it's been in fine sense so but they know and I met Vaughn and Ryan were there today helping put kennels together so.
So then the ACF guy was there and looked at everything.
Anybody else?
And I'll send it to you, since we just received it.
Let's see, thank you.
Thank you.
Last month, we got around the first time long.
I think we have a couple hours left.
And we made Sunset Drive up by Orangeville, one of our roads.
We still coded for Silver Creek Township, Rockgrove Township, Wadams Township, and Dakota Township started on Winslow.
We'll finish them next week.
Uh, sprayed guardrail, uh, for weeds, patching potholes, of course.
And we started striping.
So that's pretty much about it.
Well, I missed paying today.
Quite a bit, actually, that our striker broke down last year.
So we have probably a third of what we should have painted last year but which is fine because we don't normally paint everything one year so this year everything might be painted or close to us but we're using totes now instead of barrels so that helps goes a little quicker and we're going to buy a mixer right now for it for those that sit on the tote and it stirs it up.
You let it run for an hour or two before you start panning and pulling out of the tote.
So, should go pretty good once we get enough time in one.
But I've seen the Chief John and that's great.
Yeah, they did Bolton Road and Florence.
I told them that it looks good compared to before they fixed the stripper, but it's that great.
I'll tell you what, I'll be honest, if that's a job, I will not want to drive that, I, it's very monotonous, just staring at a dot on the road, gauging where you're going, you can tell where it goes off.
You should have the Highway Department update in front of you.
I've highlighted any thing in our construction work that's changed since the last meeting.
So the first item I heard this week that Springfield has awarded the contract to WK Construction.
So the next step is a pre-con for that.
So we'll be working on the Orangeville fall within a month.
Cedarville Road, DeCote Road at West Point Road, all their contracts are in front of you to consider.
Item F, waiting for Springfield to approve the contract with Martin to get that project started.
We have to wait until the previous bridge has done it open before we can close this one, because otherwise we'll have people end up lost.
Let me see, item H, McConaughey intersection, joint agreement in back black hole down in Springfield, waiting for that to get approved.
We're close to it.
Perhaps that doesn't get done before the end of the year, right?
I have to stick around for another one.
You remember it.
Your current role.
Oh yeah, I've been one.
It's a signing contract, we'll put that to 2027.
It's FY 2027.
I've had that agreement done in Springfield since May 1st, waiting for them to sign it.
So it's set up for FY FY27 started July 1st, so it'll about get built next year.
And that's it as far as construction projects, you should have the bid tab in front of you.
First one is Cedarville Road, that came in 22% under the engineer's estimate.
So that was a good bid in on that one.
Dakota Road came in over but it's a smaller project and I can I can come up with additional funds to delve over on that and both both estimates were all the engineers estimates so that's that's good to good to go and then the five corners river project that's for great crossing that came in 41% over over the engineer's estimate.
But that's great crossing protection funds.
The ICC said, go ahead and let it.
We'll cover the extra costs.
So there was probably 100% of self.
There's actually no cost to it, counting that one.
Let's see, VITEMS erosion problem.
I think Larry, you saw that erosion problem.
We had a garden row project last year and there was some embankment behind the guardrail and we've had significant erosion on several of the sites.
So I've been working diligently trying to figure out who caused it.
So what it all shook out to, I talked with the designer, the contractor, IDOT and I had my guys in the office today and we kind of worked through the whole process The embankment work that they did was fine.
They did it according to the specs.
The seating was done according to the specs.
But the mulch, they blew it on, but they didn't stabilize the mulch, which means knife it in the embankment or chemical stabilization or hydraulic mulch.
They didn't give any of that stabilization.
So what it comes down to is they didn't do it according to the specs.
So it was up to them to repair.
I prepared a letter.
I gave it back to IDOT.
I'll get a comment from them.
I finished that up today, so I'm waiting for a comment back from IDOT before I send that to the contractor.
So we'll save things up.
We'll see what happens.
Thank you.
I got an estimate of about $50,000 from the repairs, too.
I saw it in several places.
How many sites were there?
I think there was 19, wasn't there?
About 19 sites.
Yeah, we had significant rain after they did it, but all the most, which is there to help stabilize it, was washed away, so it wasn't done according to specs, so it was on contract to fix it.
Can I ask you a question about that before you move on?
Were they required to have a performance fund?
Everything's all bonded, yes.
Yeah, so we haven't made our final payment to them yet.
So we're, we can pull that off.
They need good evaluations from their clients to do more work.
If you give them that evaluation, they'll get knocked out.
So And this one, Northern is only a subcontractor, but they were the prime contractor in this and they've got a lot of problems with them trying to get They don't understand the process of doing a beta prime, so we'll see, so anything else?
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah, the Bowden Road, that's still under construction this year, still in design.
Still in design, I'm still optimistic we'll get that built this year, but I hope so, that way.
Any other questions we're about to go on?
Thank you.
No, all business will move right on into, oh, I'm sorry, scripted.
We haven't gotten too many claims for the seal coding and stuff like that yet.
I think next month will be a busy month, but the majority of the half of that claim, the 600,000 claim was for the Township Bridge in Shippey.
So that the majority of it came out of that Township Bridge, which we get 100% funding for that.
Um, other than that, I don't even want to say it, but maintenance equipment and stuff like that, it's still under budget.
We're still doing good.
Other than that, we're doing good.
And questions for Brad.
Thank you, sir.
That was good pastoral business because there is a name right on it.
It's a new, 820 Wilds, the presentation of the SRF, Consulting Boardsman, and the SRF representative.
Yeah, I'll be giving the presentation.
If you remember, we got a grant to look at all the great crossings in the county.
And we're at the really fairly beginning phase of the project.
After that is the consultant doing the work and we walk through, they gave me the presentation we walked through today or earlier today, yes.
So I'll walk through it and I'd like to give this presentation possible to the County Board.
So we are in the public involvement, data collection and public involvement phase of it.
So this qualifies as involvement for the public and given it a public meeting and then do the same thing with the at the County Board and we'll put it on the website.
So other people have an opportunity to see what we're doing and comment on it.
So if you can't really read it very clearly there, but there is a sign there either great crossing.
And so if you're out in the area and see a problem with the solid vehicle on the tracks, tracks that are damaged or something like that, there's a 1-800 number to call to let them know and it also gives the location of that mile marker where that crossing is so that's good information if you're ever out and about and you see some problems.
The agenda for this slide presentation will talk about the study overview, the schedule, where we're at in the schedule, and the existing conditions, stakeholder engagement.
They're talking about doing a presentation to Billings of Data, to the City of Freeport, and to the Emergency Management Group.
So we will be reaching out to different entities to get the stakeholders involved in the project.
So the study overview.
Canadian National is a class one railroad mainline traverses the county diagonally from the northwest to the southeast.
There's 26 at-grade rail crossings in the county that are public crossings.
There are a number of private ones, but we're not addressing any of the private ones.
We can't.
We don't know.
Here's a map showing all the crossings on the upper left corner, there was a fatal accident up there in 2020, and we have three different locations where they did data collection.
They put up a sensor on the tracks, and the tracks made note of, or the sensor made note of rail traffic, any delays at the crossings, that sort of stuff.
So we had three of those sensors out there to collect the data and that's where we're at in the phase of the project is data collection.
You can see all the crossings there, you can see the identified pedestrian crossing, great separations and even identified the hospital to address any delays might be caused in that area.
What is the vertical height constraint?
What's vertical height constraint?
You know what that's referring to?
Oh gosh, I'm thinking 13, I think it's 13 feet 6 inches, because we ran into that with of Bolton Road.
To meet standards, it's like, something like that.
I don't.
You don't need sort of raising it then?
At Bolton, yes, we are raising it.
Yeah, we will have a standard clearance under Bolton Road when it's done.
So they're actually raising the track and not digging out from underneath?
Bolton Road is already raised.
They replaced the bridge already.
We will be lowering the Road, and then they did raise the bridge, raise the tracks a little bit, but we will have standard clearance underneath it.
Thank you.
Sure.
Here's the different types of crossing, the different types of detection.
You've got aggregate crossing and by tuning us at the crossing with the wood crossing, and in this case, first couple pictures, it's just cross-bots and no signals and then in town you see some signals and the cross arms.
The purpose of the study is to assess whether grade separations, cross-encloses, consolidations, and advanced traffic management technologies can deliver measurable benefits and gain stakeholder and community support.
Studies include data collection analysis that we're at now, stakeholder community engagement, and as we're getting into that phase and they'll have a development of potential alternatives to address any kind of things that we can do to correct the safety issues.
And one of the positive parts of this study will be a benefit cost analysis for the crossings.
Benefit cost analysis will help when you're looking for funding to take care of some of the issues.
You know a lot of funding depends on benefit cost analysis so the end result of the study will let us have that information go out for more funding.
Like I said we're at the existing condition phase public environment goes all the way through the whole process.
There'll be developing potential alternatives late summer and fall of this year and they'll evaluate different safety strategies and the final study recommendation will come out late winter or early spring.
We'll engage those most affected by potential great crossings, improvements or changes including county residents, municipal partners, emergency service providers, businesses, and the railroads.
We'll have big public meetings, online comment and math, and stakeholder and all the coordination meetings.
And here's the QR code that should be active now.
It wasn't quite active yet this morning, but it should be active now, but we will post this on our website and then have it available for the County Board meeting next week.
Here's our contact information.
Of course, you know, mine and then Justin's guide is the project manager for SRF Consulting that's doing this study for us.
Any questions?
Yes.
So, the preferred method of contact is that QR code if the public has?
The QR code will give you access to an online survey that will ask questions about if you have any concerns about crossing, but then the contact information will be available.
Do you know if they're taking into consideration the number of the amount of traffic that's on that rail and the context of whatever they're carrying?
I'm not sure about the context of what they're carrying.
They would know how much traffic is on the railroad.
But what's on the grill?
I'm not sure if that's part of it.
I'm only showing that.
Okay, that shows.
Any other questions?
Okay, thank you.
We'll run into 8.2, the uh, whenever I understand it's a little touch up, I just did.
Okay, this is a another one and similar one you had last time.
These are three different bridges.
These are three business that are in Winslow Township.
They are, IDOT maintains all of our inspections now, but any kind of issues that come up with but they are with those townships.
Townships Bridges, and the Highway Commissioner for Winslow County has signed the agreement.
The agreement has been through CARL, it's been through IDOT.
This just basically codifies the relationship between Wisconsin, Illinois, the bridge office, and just puts in a right and who's responsible for what.
So I recommend signing the agreement.
One more year for every additional bridge I'd make the Washington to accrue the MOU and you, second by Commissioner, Moderow, any discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.
Aye.
Motion is through.
Anything to sign?
No, I'm just for Scott to sign the bill.
We've got a lot to sign.
That's great.
Next we have 8.3, the oversize or overweight permit, Dale.
Okay, last month they presented the type of axle configurations for the 80,000 pound truck and 105,000 pound truck.
So we looked at the two different axles, the 105,000 is six axle, 80,000 is five axle.
There's a way to compare the type of loading from these.
It's called ESOLs, Equivalent Single Axle Loads.
They use that to identify what damage is caused by the different truck configurations.
So, and it took somebody smarter than me to figure this out.
And we have catered on staff who was taking classes and the whole process.
So I said, here, take care of this and come back to me with the solution.
So you look to the two different configurations and based on the axle loading and the number of trips per day, fewer trips with a heavier truck, the daily results is less for the six axle 105,000 pound vehicle.
So it's caused less damage to the road on a daily basis.
So the 105,000 pump truck results about 20% decrease in daily pavement damage because of the two passes instead of three.
The statutory authority for a permit to allow overweight loads I should be in your packet it's 625 ALCS 5 slash 15,301 and there is actually a carve out for milk deliveries in there for a divisible load.
If it's undivisible, that's a different situation, but no product is a divisible load, but it allows you to do a special permit for loading.
So I checked all the other counties in the district and only Winnebago County has a permit that is not just a daily use.
And they have Rockford charges $180 per 120 day permit, Ludd Park and Winnebago, 120 day permit for $150.
IDOT charges an annual oversized overweight permit of $1,000.
So it is my recommendation with you guys to do what you want and that we authorize a 120 day permit for $150.
Any questions?
Got one, I guess.
So we have this new scale.
The Sheriff's Department has assumed we didn't weigh one of these six axle trucks if we need to.
Yeah, we have temporary scales and they've been certified, haven't they?
We have, I think the Sheriff's Department has two now, right?
Yeah, they've got them now too.
You talked about it at the meeting, but I- Ours are certified, yes, that we could.
Okay.
If they needed extra ones, if they didn't, I don't know.
If they needed extra, we could do this, exactly.
If we needed to check one, that's all.
Okay, I'm good.
I have a question, I guess, because a 105,000 pound truck, two trips a day, 210,000 girls weight.
I take the 80,000, three trips a day, I've got 240,000 girls weight.
So you really can't technically haul with two trips of the big truck, the same that you can haul with a regular exercise the three trips of the regular exercise trip.
So I'm, I got some reservations about the calc emissions.
Okay.
I have a question, I guess, so maybe a few.
What's the point in charging the fee for an overweight truck, concerning the amount of damage it'll do on the road?
Just to be consistent with surrounding area, It doesn't, we're not recouping anything for damages because the damages less for that.
So that's just my recommendation because of the sound and area, but if.
Well, I don't disagree that something should be charged, but to me, the whole point of having a fee, I guess, would be, I would hope to either help recover the cost of the damage to the roads or discourage overweight trucks.
And again to limit the damage to the road.
And I don't care how many axles you have, when you turn a corner, whichever weight, your axle is bearing weight, it's going to tear up that when they're turning, no matter what.
But if we're going to charge a hundred, what is it?
$150, I guess I just, I don't understand why we're charging it.
I know it'd be consistent, but we're not getting anything out of that $150.
And to me, the carve-out is for milk loads.
I would make this applicable to any other overweight load.
We would have to look at it specifically, but I'm addressing just this one situation.
Well, I'm not saying you shouldn't charge a fee as I think we should try to recoup costs.
How many miles of roads do we have that are behind schedule?
Plus you have, I don't want to say the destruction of it, but the damage to it just compounds that.
But I mean, to only charge $150 to me, that's just pointless.
If that's all we're going to do, then it might as well be zero.
Yeah, the fee does not address damage to the road, whether it's 80,000 pound or 105,000 pound.
And it serves no purpose.
Correct, I agree with you.
Well the only thing I didn't get done is give you a tracking of what this phone said was good, it said no 6 act, it's going to track that, what if it gets pulled over and they don't have this, we know they didn't pay, so, but that's true, it's going to track it, but that's no good.
The Sheriff's Office wasn't going to be driving around looking for any facts.
Hi.
Can I chime in?
Please.
Oh, it's up to you.
I'll let you.
I would say that that's exactly why we're here now is because they were pulling all of my trucks over.
Like it was.
It had to be a complaint.
No, no, no, it wasn't a complaint.
I mean, they put them on Highway 20.
It was pulling over the sheriff's office.
Well, what they did was is they went through and they called Stephenson County and said, Hey, we have a truck that's 102,000 pounds or whatever it was.
And do they have a permit to get to, and they gave them the address for the pipes that they were doing and they set down.
So you were ticketed.
We weren't because where we were pulled over, we weren't overweight.
So they, they were being proactive, which is why we're here today.
Trying to navigate this.
And so props to that.
They were doing exactly what you didn't think they were doing.
They were pulling trucks.
Oh, maybe they weren't doing it.
Yeah.
Well, how long had you been?
We've been doing it for a year and a half.
Yes, you know, once they did it once, it was every single truck.
And so my understanding is once that's going to court, the judge is dismissing fines.
Yeah, well, we didn't get any tickets because then what I did was I called and got a permit before the truck left.
Sure.
And that way it made it legal to get to where we needed to expel someone at one time.
Yeah.
And then after that, then we lowered our weights down below 80,000, which has been, I mean, from your guys.
I mean, from your guys table's point of view, it probably isn't that big of a deal.
But to us as the hauler, it's massive increases.
I guess that's my point is $150 doesn't do anything for us.
Yeah, also though, as I said, it probably cost New Estero probably 30 to $40,000 or maybe more than that by having to have more trucks in there to operate.
And they just did a major reorganization and expansion and stuff and so it costs, because of the extra, they have to use the sewer, the water, they have to clean the trucks, the chemicals and stuff, so it costs the actual new external company substantial money as much as it does us.
Yeah.
And both the road damage that it's probably causing the additional truck traffic.
Yeah, it's not.
If they're using it, the trucks live somewhere, so it's just the lesser of the two people.
Is this Kermit cover multiple trucks or just one truck?
One truck for $120 a day, there it is.
Safe truck and $500 engine.
How many trucks do you have?
The question is how many trucks do you have?
We have 26 and we permit every single one of them regardless of whether or not they go into Illinois or not.
Because the truck breaks down and has to take this load to its place.
So, I mean, at this particular point right now, we've paid roughly between Illinois and Wisconsin, we've paid probably $50,000.
But for the county, you haven't.
We haven't paid anything to the county yet.
That's what we're, I mean, like you offer 120 day, I mean, on the same token, Illinois does the same exact thing.
They just take that amount and times it by four and make it an annual permit.
But the roads are built for all of them.
100%, I agree.
I'm saying if it's 120 days for $150, then they just, all they do is multiply it.
It's an option that somebody has that then it's not something that has to be, all it creates is more paperwork on your guys.
Then if the permit is offered, if you just do it annually, then it's done.
I asked Dale too, in an email, what happens when they have to post the drugs, and just for the record, there's no overweight drugs on a post-drug during that time.
I should ask Steve for that question.
Overweight loads are not allowed.
There's all kinds of overweight drugs being posted.
I understand.
Do we know of other trucking companies that we will now want to go to, Six Axle, Finger starts using that more, or is it just these guys?
We don't know that really, no benefit I'm thinking is, yeah, it's overall weight is which is a good thing, but then if you do get an accident, you got more weight on it, so that's a greater force.
So the second thing you would do is stick to truck traffic, which could be a positive.
So most of our overweight permits, they come on a daily basis and how many do we get in a week?
And probably, I don't know, over the course of the year, it's probably been made like, maybe 40 grand, it's in overweight permits, I don't know, but probably, and maybe, it depends on the time of year and stuff like that, obviously.
And it's a daily use, for the most part.
They're bringing a crane in, they're bringing a gravel crush, they're just needed for the day.
What happens when a 105,000 pound truck gets on a state highway and it's pulled over there?
You showed the officer or whoever was a permit from Stephenson County, but you're not on Stevenson I'm sorry, I couldn't tell if he was looking at me.
So we have an Illinois permit, the state of Illinois permit, I was a six axle, 120,000.
That's how we ended up here.
I was very bitter when I talked to him the very first time.
I misunderstood my permit and I thought it was for the state of Illinois and it allows a certain amount of distance to get off of the road that we were on to get to where we delivered between those cases a few miles ago.
So that was my misunderstanding, which is why I'm here now.
So we have a separate permit for state roads, and then in this case, we would have a permit for Stephenson County also, which what we do is we print those off.
Those are in a binder in the truck that if we come across the portable scale, which is very confident.
I think we've had just this year alone, I think we've had 19 class three instructions on Highway 20, which I think is national, which means none of any of it's anything any problems that we've had has been clerical.
It's not anything to do with the How many miles will you be traveling on?
So we take 73 to Dublin and then we take a left on, is that Kent Road?
So we go down Dublin and take a left on Kent and go down, I don't know if it's Kent, it's in my head.
I noticed more on the shortcut with all the extra traffic, because I don't want to tell Well, whatever we set today isn't just set for him, it's set for everybody coming forward.
So he's only going four miles off of the state road.
It only applies to township roads, but my point is, is that the next guy might be traveling all on township roads, and his distance might be more.
So just milk trucks?
Just, it addresses the milk trucks, only milk trucks.
It's a pleasure with the committee.
Can I have a hand?
Sure.
I would like to see it's just maybe approval for one year and see how it goes, and if it doesn't meet the need or we find there are additional problems and we can revisit it.
So this permits for 120 days, but then it has to come back to this committee as I understand.
No, they could apply for another 120 day permit without the approval of the committee.
It's just the fee is tied to the house.
So basically when I did the math, you're going to pay per annual to the county about $11,000, $12,000 per minute of your trucks.
So not to interrupt, but back to your point about the $150 is that on my end, we realistically only have two trucks a day down.
So if from that perspective, $150, I'm not going to risk the $150 on my end, I'm going to pay the $11,000 upfront and then you actually only see on average two of those trends per day.
My point wasn't, I think it's almost punitive, I guess is what I'm saying.
It's not providing any relief for the damage to the roads.
It's not significant enough to solve that problem.
That's my issue with you.
So 150 or $10, it doesn't make a difference on the county side.
Yeah, I get it.
Where it would impact you.
Yes.
Right.
I mean, I would prefer that every truck be 80,000 pounds and we just leave it at that.
Not be a happy boy.
But I know that's not reality.
I need a motion to be there approved I like Sam's idea of, well, review the impact in a year, the policy effect of a year, come back and if they find that it needs to be revised significantly or revised in time.
I'm going to make a motion to approve it because I think it will do some drafting and also the load per axle a little bit and I would like to see that be reviewed next year after I think just worth saying, I think we're, I feel we'd all be sympathetic to the, the price.
Yeah.
It doesn't really do anything, but by the time we've raised it to a point where it would, then we've cut half the price.
Where it would then we've cut half the business and we don't want to see that happen either.
So I think that's worth noting.
Now there's not a perfect solution in either direction.
That's the best solution I can come up with.
So I thank the motion.
I don't know that you need to put a timeframe on it.
You can just come back and revisit it in a year.
I think that is the motion, but are you sun setting it by having a one year period where it's going to end in a year?
Is that your intent?
No, otherwise it's just going to continue.
There has to be an action to the one year something happens in one year.
Yeah, just reviewing.
Well, maybe we take that.
Maybe I'm going to amend my motion and take that review part off and we just, as a chairman, we make a note of that.
We feel that agenda is there.
So for clarification and chairman Helms' point, you're at sunset and it's good for one, we're going to take the briefing part off and then we, as a chairman, we'll bring that up next year to review it.
Okay.
I hope you're okay with that.
I was thinking of a calendar too, like next May or whatever, just to bring it up to look at it.
Yeah, unless something comes up before, then we can deal with it earlier.
Some issue can pop up, we could deal with it earlier.
Are you okay with that?
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, I'm okay with revising.
So let's talk about that just for a moment.
Can I see if I vote at any time between now and one year from now?
So that's the safety valve, I guess you're looking for there.
That's the safety valve, I just added it.
I guess that's, I just need to put that in there.
It doesn't have to be, it just, as long as we have that capability, it doesn't need to be put that in there.
I can amend my motion to any other revocations for all that we want.
We're going to make a motion to approve it as presented here with a clause in there to revoke it at any time.
So that would still take committee and County Board action to revoke it.
Yeah, that's coming.
Then we have that conversation again.
I have just one more question.
Your expense for the fee, are you passing that, I'm assuming, on to whoever you're calling for, you're just increasing your, your per mile charge or however you do that?
We don't, it actually comes the other way.
So we go from, we don't increase or decrease our rate at all, because we actually owe more.
Okay.
So then we do that.
But then just not, I don't want to chime in, but when you put something on there as far as like the ability to revoke, Say you say it's okay today and you revoke it tomorrow on just me in particular.
I have just invested hundreds and hundreds, close to a million, like millions of dollars in equipment that we're purchasing to do this.
And so that's that's a little nerve wracking in my English, maybe the answer to your.
May I ask one question?
You talked about an expansion, right?
That your customer just gone through a major expansion?
New Wayster, okay, so.
So there's more product to haul?
Is that what you're saying?
Their expansion was to make the product, I believe no quote but it was to make the process of making their cheese more efficient, which included adding new intake for where we unload and all that kind of stuff.
I mean, I can't speak for them as far as what five years down the road looks like or anything like that.
That would have to be a conversation that you would have to have with them.
But in the Midwest in general, tri-axle tanks at 105,000 is, maybe you go to Wisconsin and it's there everywhere.
And the reason being is it's no different than anywhere else.
It's hard to find drivers, quality drivers, safe drivers.
And one way to eliminate that is to buy bigger tanks, all with less loads, which means less depotism.
So, it's a daily struggle.
It's not something that happens all night, but that's obviously the goal for the discussion.
Just one thing that, as the Chairman already noted, it's not an individual action.
Since it's a County Board action, we wouldn't make a decision by ourselves.
It would be all of the county that has to make that.
So it's not something that's just going to change instantaneously just because we woke up one morning.
So just so that we feel good about the decision, we all have to decide to do something different if we're going to do something differently.
That's where I am with making this decision today.
You're going to be getting balls and arrows, you can still do it.
That's true.
That's all I have.
Any final comments?
All those in favor, say aye.
Aye.
Any opposed?
Motion carries.
Thank you, Mr. Helms.
So we have HD 2613, the Cedarville Road project.
Okay, he uses them.
Okay, six.
Do you sign an agreement with Helen Symbol for the construction of Cedarville Road for $436,501.06?
Makes a motion to approve the debt to Helms for $436,501.
Seconded by Mr. Monroe.
Any discussion?
Seeing none.
All those in favor say aye.
Aye.
Motion is approved.
All is well.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
So you just started the fight on time.
The next group is for contract with Helm Double for $383,963.25.
That motion to approve the Mr. Newton.
Second by Mr. Jogerst, any discussions?
Motion is approved.
Thank you for your time.
We should all be in this small world, you know what, I was going to ask if I can throw it.
That's the fun part of it, watching it build up first and then go ride and moving things.
Moving on to HG26.
This is 405 Ordnance Road at the Canadian National Great Crossing to Fisher Excavating for $189,983.
I have a motion to approve by Mr. Jogerst, to sign it by Mr. Moderow.
Any discussion?
Yeah.
Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.
Aye.
We have HD2616, the grant for the planning and design of some round-the-box lane roads.
Yeah, this is a rural tribal assistance grant for $523,915, it's 100% funding for the planning in the design of a roundabout.
And it's a very good grant to get 100% funding.
We were one of two agencies in the state that got a RTA grant.
Boone County got one for three bridge projects and we got ours for this roundabout.
What was the amount of? 520,000.
And the grant can only be used for engineering for pre-engineering can't be used for construction.
So this is the planning and design and it's federal project.
So it'll take a couple of years to go through the whole process, but you have to look at them.
Not as the, all the great flags you have to answer them, but it's worth it.
I have a motion to message over to group 2616.
Second, Mr. Moderow, any discussions?
Is there any, what's there, um, there's no resolution, no resolution, it's just, it'll be, um, uh, first, uh, Did you get the things you signed?
I'm still on my side, I have four persons.
Yes, we're good.
Okay, we're down to 9.0, the comments from the committee.
Anybody have anything they'd like to add to make?
No.
Item 10.0 is the adjournment, do I have a motion to adjourn?
Mr. Newton, seconded by Mr. Williams.
Any discussion?
All those in favor?
Thank you very much.